An important and long-overdue debate has occurred between Iraq-raping arch-neocon Bill Kristol
and the tireless libertarian war critic Scott Horton
on the subject of US interventionism, and you should definitely drop whatever you're doing and watch it immediately. The resolution up for debate was "A willingness to intervene, and to seek regime change, is key to an American foreign policy that benefits America," with Kristol obviously arguing in the affirmative and Horton in the negative.
The introduction starts here
Kristol's opening argument starts here
Horton's opening argument begins here
Questions from the moderator (where things really heat up) starts here
Q&A from the audience (in my opinion is the best part) begins here
The winner of the debate will be obvious to anyone watching. Horton plowed through criticisms of the way US foreign policy is constantly "creating its own disasters it must then attempt to solve" from his encyclopedic knowledge of interventionist bloodbaths and their undeniable repercussions while Kristol appeared frequently flustered, passed on multiple rebuttals, and got called on blatantly false claims. Horton rattled off nations, dates and death tolls in rapid succession and repeatedly referenced Kristol's own role in imperialist bloodshed, while Kristol relied almost entirely on insubstantial assertions to defend his position that “we can be at once a republic and a liberal empire" and empty dismissal of Horton's points about the destructive nature of various US foreign interventions.
In the end a deflated-looking Kristol gave closing remarks
which amounted to little more than whining that Horton's position doesn't assume war hawks like himself are acting "in good faith," while Horton's closing statement
just continued his blistering assault.
By the end of it you almost feel bad for old Bill.
Read the rest of this article at Caitlin Johnstone's Substack